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“Wait, So is this a Date?” Podcast Episode 209: Bottoming with Chingy | Autostraddle

Let us earn some sound for any bottoms in your house! (It’s myself, the underside in the house.) Bottom lifestyle is starting to become rather something™ on the web recently! Exactly what does it truly mean as a bottom? Why comes with the culture determined bottoming is just being worried to inquire about for what you need? And how really does a person go about choosing if they fancy bottoming?!

With all of these concerns rattling around the heads, demanding responses, Drew and that I knew there is singular individual we can easily go to for a rounded, enthusiastic discussion about bottoming: The Gay Chingy AKA Chingy Nea, AKA The Bottom Supreme. Chingy is amongst the most readily useful men and women I know composing and tweeting now, and also as a bottom myself, Im honored to phone the woman my personal frontrunner. Chingy allows us to tease exactly what it ways to be a bottom, why she dislikes “smol bean” bottom part tradition, your system as opening, plus body as

entire

. Truly an extremely gorgeous discussion, basically would say-so my self! Kindly know that I am aware that we state “gorgeous” more or less three thousand instances this episode, I am also seeking assistance for my problem. (the illness is actually speaking like 57 year-old white gay guy.)

And! Recently’s game requires myself guessing in the event that complicated plots Drew describes belong to a movie or an aspiration she had circa 2006. It is not easy!


PROGRAM RECORDS

+ Browse Chingy’s
Bottom Manifesto
, follow the woman
on Twitter
and
IG
!

+Here is a listing of all of the films that Drew included in her game:


  • The Seventh Seal

    (1937)

  • Bringing-up Kid

    (1938)


  • Pierrot le Fou


    (1965)

  • Ebony Swan

    (2010)

+Watch Anna Faris perform some finest work of the woman profession in

Smiley Face!


+Let

Shohreh Aghdashloo chat one to sleep while clothed as Chrisjen


Avasarala


from

The Expanse

as you are entitled to that.


+Cindy Wilson in the B52s is quite hot and honestly? “Love Shack” nevertheless whips!


+
Robert Mitchum
, stone cold fox.



EPISODE


Chingy

: I only already been bottoming since I had been, I’m not sure, as far back as I am able to keep in mind.


Drew

: Cue Rags to wealth from

Goodfellas.


Chingy

: dating back to i could keep in mind, I always desired to end up being a bottom, no, but types of

[intro performs]


Drew

: Hi, I Am Drew.


Christina

: I Am Christina.


Drew

: Thank you for visiting

Wait, Is This a night out together

?


Christina

:

Wait, Is It a Date?

is actually an Autostraddle podcast focused on the only, the sole the largest question of our own times: Wait, So is this a Date?


Drew

: And, wow, i must say i only froze up there.


Christina

: I found myself like, oh shit, I was designed to say anything! [laughs]


Drew

: i am actually fast to the banter, my brain merely… The reality is that I became reading over my personal online game notes, which we’re not at yet because we still have to present our selves. Thus, i will attempt to remain focused on one job at the same time.


Christina

: Focus up!


Drew

: i’m Drew Gregory, I am a writer for Autostraddle, and a filmmaker, and a trans girl.


Christina

: Hi, my name is Christina Tucker, forgot my personal finally title for a hot min, no fuss. I will be additionally an author at Autostraddle also places on the internet, a podcaster, a gay black colored lady. That is particular it, puppy, that’s me personally.


Drew

: I love it. Okay, now we-


Christina

: Now the video game.


Drew

: are we able to play the online game?


Christina

: Can we get to the online game? I can let you know’re thrilled, I will let you know’re merely vibrating.


Drew

: Thus, i am keeping a dream log since 2007, therefore the premise of your video game is-


Christina

: I did not know this about yourself!


Drew

: Yes, it isn’t as current today, we familiar with write-down all my goals and today it really is only if some thing actually sticks. But, the idea for this online game is actually, am I describing the land of a dream I got once I had been a teenager, or am we explaining the story of a movie that we enjoyed when I had been a teenager?


Christina

: Oh man, fine.


Drew

: therefore, just how it will probably get is I’ll usually describe it an aspiration and in the first individual. So, when it ended up being

Superstar Wars,

I would end up like, i am in space and I’m battling within a rebellion, so there’s an evil  man that is putting on a black colored robot fit plus it turns out he is my dad. That is the way I’ll explain it, the manner by which we explain dreams, but sometimes it are going to be an aspiration, often it’ll be from a movie. Ready?


Christina

: I’m anything, I am not sure that i am prepared, but let’s stone. Why don’t we see just what i will perform right here.


Drew

: Okay, i am on a beach and I also see this weird guy dressed in black colored. He informs me he’s Death and we also could play a casino game to choose basically live or if the guy requires myself. We manage to get away, but almost everywhere I-go, people are ill and I feel like Death is still following me.The only delighted part occurs when We satisfy a theater troupe and they are a lot of fun.


Christina

: This,i believe, is actually a dream.


Drew

: this will be Ingmar Bergman’s

The Seventh Seal

from 1957.


Christina

: this might be will be a real gotcha on CT’s classic motion picture expertise, because the things I realize that Drew, in your puberty, wasn’t undertaking ended up being seeing motion pictures that i will identify. At this time, I’m type of wanting that I have seen do not require. In my opinion which will be more fun for me.


Drew

: the 2nd one, I’m interviewing my loved ones many Italian United states gangsters. Among the gangsters needs that we give more than some money, but my children and that I been able to get away. We escape through this all arctic landscapes, on the road we satisfy an actress and connect with their. We result in a suburb. I believe we are going to begin a life with each other until she requires us to a large mansion, and I realize it belongs to the gangster. It absolutely was all a trap, the gangster arrives and there’s a confrontation. I eliminate him, the dream ends using the actress carrying out a musical number.


Christina

: Is it a movie?


Drew

: this could be an aspiration I experienced in 2008.


Christina

: Okay, wow. Boy, yeah, i suppose i need to keep in mind that it’s 2000, its old school Drew head. That’s what i need to bear in mind.


Drew

: In addition love, what movies was I watching during the time as well as how a lot did that influence my fantasies?


Christina

: Well, yeah, clearly quite a bit!


Drew

: a great fact is that I was really, i did not integrate this because I imagined this could provide away, nevertheless the gangster was Tony Soprano because I found myself enjoying

The Sopranos

in 2008. Very, that’s an enjoyable little reality. Okay, next one, i’ve an essential task, but this hot girl appears and begins annoying myself. I wish to be along with her, but I also really should get might work done, therefore I inform the lady to go out of. She keeps following myself. Suddenly, a leopard appears in my own place and that I must spend remaining portion of the fantasy attempting to find the leopard. I am still truly anxious, We never complete my work, but at the very least the lady is actually hot.


Christina

: it has are an aspiration you have, this has is a Drew fantasy.


Drew

: This Can Be Howard Hawks’

Bringing-up Kid

from 1938.


Christina

: No, but that’s an aspiration of yours, that’s the the majority of Drew fantasy I’ve have you ever heard. Now at this time, i am just likely to be spinning film history, to match my whims.


Drew

: Great, i enjoy that. Okay, I’m at a party and I also cannot like anyone there. At long last, I see this woman, I once had a crush on and now we decide to keep together. We head to her residence, however they are chased off by this group of men that are attempting to kill the lady. We become on a beach plus it may seem like we are going to end up being okay until the males discover united states. She winds up becoming into this additional guy, thus I just take cartoonish dynamite and determine to strike myself personally up


Christina

: Movie.


Drew

: This is! This is Jean Luc Goddard’s

Pierrot ce Fou

, from 1965.


Christina

: have never seen, but that sounds like a ding dang motion picture to me.


Drew

: Great, I adore it. Absolutely a narration explaining a strange vessel like structure which is impossible to damage. I want on a retreat around the framework, the retreat is kind of theater relevant, type of spiritual. You will find a crush about this woman in the retreat, but she’s got a boyfriend. Amid the shows and traditions, there’s lots of drama between me this woman along with her boyfriend, it ends with me by yourself. There’s been a sequence disclosing your ship structure is impossible to ruin because a mechanical arm fixes it for the evening.


Christina

: That could be everything in numerous ways, i will state flick once more, why not?


Drew

: It is an aspiration from 2011, that did have narration from another person, you are aware, it occurs!


Christina

: This is really good promo getting a dream record, because personally i think enjoy it would-be fun basically could bear in mind my personal ambitions in this way.


Drew

: No person likes as soon as you describe the fantasies to them. I actually do though, and I also’m your own buddy, so if you should take note of the desires and tell me, i might want to discover them.


Christina

: Okay, that is great to hear.


Drew

: You will find two a lot more.


Christina

: Okay.


Drew

: i am in a beautiful yard with a group of buddies, we-all be seemingly waking up from becoming drugged. We’re obligated to shower in an acid that drains pigment so we become blonde and blue-eyed. Individuals responsible begin teaching us to kill, it turns out this place is operated by a crazy dictator, we resist obtaining totally brainwashed. There’s this girl there I have a crush on and I convince the lady to escape beside me, while leaking out I have shot and killed, nevertheless the girl will get away. Whenever she leaves the prison, she knows we’re in the exact middle of a forest so there’s no place to visit.


Christina

: Film.


Drew

: That would be one dream in my fantasy journal from, we stated, “2007.” That it is 2006.


Christina

: Wow.


Drew

: i believed it was interesting that I die for the dream, but the other person continues on. However now, absolutely some strange sex stuff happening truth be told there, and I also’m browsing need to remember any particular one for some time.


Christina

: Definitely do that.


Drew

: Okay, i’ve an additional.


Christina

: Okay.


Drew

: i am because of the opportunity to be a dancer, my personal mommy insists I won’t have the ability to exercise. There’s this other girl during the show which In my opinion is actually hot, but I’m stressed she’s going to replace me personally. I am battling in rehearsal, but-end up making utilizing the lady, we hook up. This really is hot, but I feel myself personally shedding control, we go back to the dance tv series. My body appears to be morphing into something different, i am concerned that i will damage.


Christina

: this will be a film.


Drew

: Therefore,

Dark Swan

.


Christina

: Yes, which

Black Swan

, certainly.


Drew

: Have you viewed

Black Swan

? That has been one I was thinking you observed.


Christina

: I’ve come across

Dark Swan

, I… Fun reality, I went on a romantic date with a guy to see

Black Swan

.


Drew

: Wow.


Christina

: only direct things I did.


Drew

: the thing that was that like?


Christina

: crazy, it absolutely was unusual.


Drew

: Do you like the motion picture? Did the guy like the film?


Christina

: I think, I got currently viewed it, i do believe I happened to be similar, “Let’s get notice it once more.” I do believe, I became extremely pro

Ebony Swan,

and for right heterosexual explanations, definitely.


Drew

: Sure, okay.


Christina

: And, he was like, “That was unusual.” And I had been like, “Oh well, we’re not likely to always big date.”


Drew

: Wow, well If only him ideal, i am hoping he’s somewhere doing well. Thanks for playing the game beside me.


Christina

: Wow, I’m thus glad I moved two for nonetheless numerous we performed thereon.


Drew

: Not bad.


Christina

: Not bad.


Drew

: You did much better than Elise performed as I wanted to see if it was a practical video game might operate, and she had been my guinea-pig. Very, she only got one correct.


Christina

: Fair adequate.


Drew

: Should we proceed to our main topic of few days?


Christina

: Why don’t we enter into it, why don’t we understand this special visitor in.


Drew

: Well, I want to very first say that our very own main topic associated with the week is actually bottoming, so we could just have one extremely special guest.


Christina

: It really is just one person.


Drew

: are you able to please present yourself?


Chingy

: Hi, i am Chingy Nea, otherwise known as The Gay Chingy. Im an author, Filmmaker, and gasian leather dyke muppet. Im additionally America’s number 1 bottom.


Christina

: Yes, In my opinion when we had been discussing subject areas so we’re like, “We could explore bottoming and there’s actually one individual we could have on the pod to take action, absolutely singular individual that is quite literally the Supreme.”


Chingy

: thank-you for acknowledging, it feels very good to have your greatness respected, many thanks


Christina

: Yes, and you’ve completed great work, and right here we are recognizing it.


Drew

: I would like to understand as soon as you feel like you became America’s biggest bottom. When had been that a word and a label and an identity which you actually presented onto?


Chingy

: Well, and so I normally just say, “I’m The Bottom Supreme.” Because, whom cares about The usa?


Drew

: Positive.


Christina

: reasonable sufficient.


Chingy

: Yeah, I think that i usually was really proficient at bottoming, but in 2017 or something, we went along to a play party that was just for fem leading sadists defeating me personally upwards for six to seven hrs straight, therefore was only me personally, and I was like, “Oh, i am ideal which is actually been.” And then, I think after that, i recently held escalating being, wow, I’m therefore fun to view. Wow, i am thus engaging as a bottom, this is wow, everybody which gets to finest myself can be so happy. And, it just moved after that, i do believe, after which we published a write-up labeled as i am a better Bottom versus You. Discover Precisely Why. It absolutely was form of a manifesto, it absolutely was a bottom manifesto.


Christina

: Yes, can confirm.


Chingy

: And, lots of people have actually explained, “It’s changed the way they glance at gender.” And, I really like that many. It’s the one article on my internet site that i have composed there. I created at

Vice

,

Teen Vogue

,

Vulture

—

Autostraddle

was initial location we wrote, actually. But yeah, this is the one weblog to my internet site, if you wish to give it a look.


Christina

: I love a substantial brand, I love knowing a brand name, and I genuinely believe that’s truly attractive, just, brand name handling of your own personal bottomy yourself. I think, that is actually beautiful to see.


Chingy

: Thanks a lot, i acquired my basic writing chance at

Autostraddle

because I found myself currently talking about being a base, and being poly, being really deep into being a leather dyke. And since then, i have started to discuss a number of other things, but becoming bottom great just kind of is the one through distinctive line of every thing.


Christina

: Yes.


Drew

: I also feel you are a very productive bottom in addition to in the manner you discuss, and discuss, and I also assume knowledge bottoming that you are extremely productive. Whereas, i believe there are many the queer area, maybe, especially the lesbian area, that possibly thinks about bottoming as… I don’t know-


Chingy:

Passivity

.


Christina

: Mm-hmm

(Affirmative)

.


Drew

: Yeah.


Chingy

: Yeah, I typically claim that absolutely much less soles than people think tend to be soles. In my opinion there is a big difference between getting a bottom and just being unsure of or seeking what you would like. I do believe those are a couple of entirely different things that folks conflate.


Christina

: I would personally need to agree, I additionally think the way you discuss bottoming is actually, I mean, why don’t we simply state it, so much significantly less aggravating compared to the means more and more people discuss getting a bottom or determine with bottom culture. Because, I do believe just what a lot of people assert explicitly or non explicitly is merely, i will be sluggish and never proper care to-do any type of activity, activity, et-cetera, i’d like circumstances done to myself. And, easily must seek that call at in any manner, that hurts my personal emotions. And, you will be great and strong at becoming, these represent the items that i would like, bring these to me and I also will rock your world. That is gorgeous for me.


Chingy

: Thank you, i am talking about, that is what you have to do to-be effective in simply anything, you must place your self available to you and try making mistakes and obtain damage somewhat, and, I’m not sure, study on it.


Christina

: i believe that’s a great message, frankly.


Chingy

: I just already been bottoming since I have was actually, I am not sure, dating back I can remember. [laughs]


Drew

: Cue “Rags to Riches” from

Goodfellas

.


Chingy

: Yeah, dating back to i will keep in mind, i wished to be a bottom. No, but form of, when I had been 13 or 14, I was currently viewing SADO MASO website for lesbian SADOMASOCHISM web sites. Very, I becamen’t under any delusions about what I became when it comes to, I became having women I dated in senior high school choke myself away, we knew everything I desired. So, that degree of understanding has just given me personally quite a long time to understand what i’d like and learn how to get it.


Christina

: Beautiful, received, offer me your emotions on bottoming.


Drew

: Well, i am actually really thrilled to talk about this simply because I feel like in 2019 {when I|as I|while